anyone have any general idea how ISP's are going to spring IPV6 onto the average internet user?

I know Internode is offering IPV6 as an option now but im sure 90% of the population dont even know what IPV6 is let alone what its going to mean....

obviously APNIC and other organisations are preparing all of us for the change , and yes while it is still a way off it will be here before everyone knows it...

i mean like Christmas is only a couple of months away and hell im sure it was only last Christmas a weeks days ago...

or is it going to be a case of IPV6 staying in the corporate and business world for the next 10 years or more....

whats everyones thoughts on this?

Everyone is going to have to start using it eventually, and much sooner than 10 years from now. We are quickly running out of IPv4 space, and its been predicted we are only a few years away from IPv4 depletion.

I don't think mums and dads will need to worry. They won't know what IPv4 is now, so the change isn't going to need to be anything they have to understand either.

The ISP's with the best procedures will perhaps win a few extra customers when the day comes.

I wont to know if the IPv6 Addresses will be any cheaper? Maybe 50 cents for 24?

id beg to differ... They may not know what IPV4 is but what will happen when IPV4 is eventually dropped? ... ok it may not be the mums and dads by then... it will be the kids... and yes they will be pretty cluey on it all anyway by then but if IP's do run out as fast as APNIC thinks and we have to start telling clients their site is hosted on something like 3ffe:400:430:2:240:95ff:fe40:4385 instead of 202.x.x.x

from a support point of view to clients who are technology Challenged this is going to be a potential nightmare...

I guess most ISP's will dual tunnel ipv4 and 6 together which i suppose simplifies things

as for price of ipv6... given the min allocation of a /32 from apnic and the probable allocation of a /65 to clients i certainly wouldnt want to be paying 50 cents an address...

IPv4 should stay here and any IPv4 space will continue to work.

ISPs will simply start handing out IPv6 space to CPE equipment which supports it

Both should work once the ISPs upgrade their equipment to handle it.

At worst they would get an e-mail saying enter this "3ffe:400:430:2:240:95ff:fe40:4385" where it used to say this "202.x.x.x" but as Spirit said, they will run together until IPv4 Address are all inactive and maybe not even then.

I said 50 cents for 24 addresses.

The cost per an IP address is not relevant.

There is still administration costs (outside that of Apnic fees) which need to be past on and these costs won't become cheaper with more space

getting a bit off topic though.... cost of an IP is irrelevant to the issue

i just see it being a nightmare when it does eventually happen...

Like for example when a client gets an IP blocked in a firewall its easy to tell them to go to whatsmyip.com.au to get their IP address from them... just imagine sitting on the phone listenting to a client tell you their IP is 3ffe:400:430:2:240:95ff:fe40:4385 especially if the customers not net or PC savvy....

I don't think we'll see any big rush to change until we actually do run out of IPv4 addresses.

The Implmentation of IPv6 before IPv4 runs out is highly important. With a huge change like this you can't just turn it on over night, the roll out needs to be gradual while providers and users update their equipment to support the new technology.

As long as there is an overlap of changing from one protocol to the next, the transition between the two will be relatively painless and simple.

IPv6 costing, from what I've seen, is going to be much less than IPv4 as you are allocated billions of addresses at a time.

Check out http://gac.icann.org/web/meetings/mt...PaulWilson.pdf for details.

A /64 will have around 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 IP's according to Google.

I didnt mean it like that. I'm just saying is they've been talking about IPv6 for a couple of years now, and how important it is to switch.

I just don't think it will be pushed to become the 'norm' until we're in a dire situation.

I didn't mean the night we run out of IPv4 we switch to IPv6, that'd be a bit stupid wouldn't it

I think it will be mostly the corporate and medium/large business' on the IPv6 range first - and they will try to keep most of the SOHO/Home users on the IPv4 range for as long as they can.

You will find this happens because CPE vendors targeting home users won't have an IPv6 product for another few years.

However the first CPE vendor who providers a dual IPv4 and IPv6 capable device will win a lot of new business from Australian ISPs if they provide a robust and well tested device from day one.

What's a CPE vendor?