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Old 09-08-2004, 11:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Becoming a registered cabler/Austel Licence

Hi,

I was just wondering whereabouts do you guys get your austel licences from?

I am contemplating becoming a registered cabler to start up another business venture.
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Old 10-08-2004, 03:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I did mine at my local TAFE. There are however many providers nationwide:

http://www.citt.com.au/pdfs/TITAB_CP...iders_v2.7.pdf
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Old 10-08-2004, 11:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi,

I was just wondering whereabouts do you guys get your austel licences from?

I am contemplating becoming a registered cabler to start up another business venture.
Austel has not existed for several years.
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Old 16-08-2004, 01:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I did a course with JB Hunter.

The licience is now called 'Open Reg' and then you can get additions to like CAT5 & Fiber.

Would you believe I did this course because the defence sites I worked on would not let me plug in a CAT5 patch lead into their wall plate unless I had a licience!?!?

However when I built my home I now have multiple phones / internet in every room
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Old 21-08-2004, 06:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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what kind of course is this for may i ask. Is this for like setting up a dc or somthing?

Doset anyone know where you can do it in canberra?

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Old 28-08-2004, 04:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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To be honest, i wouldn't bother becoming a licensed cabler unless your doing alot of it or tendering massive contracts in data. Ive done data cabling/ phone cabling for years without a comms license. Its has never once come up as an issue. If your doing the odd few cables for a company no one really is gonna mind.

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Old 28-08-2004, 11:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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To be honest, i wouldn't bother becoming a licensed cabler unless your doing alot of it or tendering massive contracts in data. Ive done data cabling/ phone cabling for years without a comms license. Its has never once come up as an issue. If your doing the odd few cables for a company no one really is gonna mind.
A few electricians in our area where "pinged" by the telecommunications authority, I think the fines went in to 5 figures.
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Old 29-08-2004, 10:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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5 figures really ? where they big companies just out of intrest. Most companies i worked for the owner obtains an license. However i don't think that makes to much difference. But to be honest im not doing it unless someone else pays for it
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Old 29-08-2004, 11:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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any idear of how long or what it would cost to do?
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5 figures really ? where they big companies just out of intrest. Most companies i worked for the owner obtains an license. However i don't think that makes to much difference. But to be honest im not doing it unless someone else pays for it
No they where just electricians who cabled dozens of offices in the area, unlicenced, not sponsored or supervised by an Austel approved cabler.

To be honest, I really don't know why you have to be licenced, no real power goes over Cat 5 & Cat 6 data cable, the only real thing that can be a little dangerous is if you manage to get some fibre in to you, when I worked as a network tech one of the LINCENCED guys managed to get a nice slice of fibre under his skin while creating a few tails for a new link brought in to the data cabinet, which made him sick like a dog.

Now, if we do any networking it's purley wireless, with 802.11g you can get 109MB/s if you have a good signal, and with WPA, MAC Address blocking and IPSec it's just as secure in an office environment.
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Old 01-09-2004, 10:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think its crazy, iam licensed to work on 240vAC but they won't let me work on 5vdc (data voltage i think). There isn't much to data neways i learnt about mechanical protection and inductance in my trade. I think in the end it just comes down to politics.
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Becoming a registered cabler/Austel Licence

Beleive it or not there is an apprenticeship available for ultra-low-voltage cabling (Cat5 & fibre etc).

Consists of 3 years in the field, with tafe component.

If you are going to do that, do the low-voltate stuff (240v) and spend the 3 years getting your electricians license as well.

(Yes, 240V is low voltage)

Yes, you need a telecoms license to work for someone like commander on your own as a tradesman, but if you are working for someone as an apprentice / tradesmans offside, as long as the job is overseen by a qualified tradesman all is legit.

Yes, we all wire our own homes with data, and some venture into wiring their own homes with 240V, but if you are doing it commercially, theres alot more to data cabling than just plugging in some wires.

In the Datacentre, we need to make sure all cables and connections have a certain signal rate for quality etc. If they dont, they get ripped out.

Its really just for certification that its all working.

Of course, that's in datacentre conditions where were really dont want to be ripping up or replacing trunks of cabling after they have been put in first time, but there is still alot more to data cabling than meets the eye.

My 2 Cents, I did the data cabling apprenticeship stuff when I was a youngster, so have crawled over dead possums in roofs of schools pulling fibre as well as under bank computer room floors.

60Cm of crawl space and pumped air conditioning in raised floors is not fun to pull cable through! Try that for 2 days straight and your skin comes out all flaky and lips are chapped.

If you are just after the license, do the tafe course. If you are bored and looking for something to do that will keep you fit for the next 3 years, become a cabler specialising in low voltage data runs. Go for the commercial stuff, not the home stuff, and you will see some of the best computer rooms in Oz.

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Old 12-09-2004, 02:10 AM   #13 (permalink)
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(Yes, 240V is low voltage).
yep most people don't know that too 240 is lv and then u have selv (super extra low voltage) which is ya data comms from memory anything about 415 is hv.
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My 2 Cents, I did the data cabling apprenticeship stuff when I was a youngster, so have crawled over dead possums in roofs of schools pulling fibre as well as under bank computer room floors.

60Cm of crawl space and pumped air conditioning in raised floors is not fun to pull cable through! Try that for 2 days straight and your skin comes out all flaky and lips are chapped.
when i was in qld i remember crawling thou roofes putting a thermo up there and registering aroung 60 degree at the start of the year when we had the heat wave. We were up there most of the day. Shudders at the thought of pink bats!
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. Go for the commercial stuff, not the home stuff, and you will see some of the best computer rooms in Oz.

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hehhe i was working in graceville in qld once in a mdf for this small block of about 4 shops . I thought hrmmm massive fibre rack and about 300 phone lines going in this block was a bit excessive, when i noticed most of them where used i thought hrmm thats strange traced it out and found an isp on the second floor in a room about 3m x 3m amazing how small of a space they need!
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Old 13-09-2004, 10:46 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I did my course with JB Hunter they are in Newcastle NSW. Took 1 week. I didn't pay so I don't know how much it was.

Playing around with the public switched network is a CRIMINAL offence, I shuddered to think about all the phone extentions I had wired into friends houses when I was a teenager.

The fines are HUGE, think twice before doing any telephony stuff without your Open reg.
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With the privatisation of Telstra, can it still be called a PUBLIC Switched Telephone Network ?
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